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Post by Inverseur on Sept 22, 2007 23:20:22 GMT -5
Wait!!! We aren't allowed to argue about things, what a rip off! Well then that takes the fun out of it. I think you should make a board for us to argue in then!
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Post by y2j49783 on Sept 22, 2007 23:22:18 GMT -5
OMG!! LOL!!! You only have to argue when you are wrong. LOL Oh wait that explains it, that's why you are arguing!!! LOL, On to the battle....
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Post by Mister Sinister on Sept 22, 2007 23:29:20 GMT -5
Or he could be arguing because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about and he is trying to make you see that you are wrong, but I agree on with the fight.
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Post by y2j49783 on Sept 23, 2007 0:34:16 GMT -5
Cyclops, Vision, Iron Man, Carnage, Apocalypse VS. Shadow King, Venom, Magneto, Gambit, Sentry
Well first off, my team has more experience, intelligence, and leadership. Not to mention at Apocalypse is Immortal. Then there is financial backing. Stark is going to make sure his team has the best of everything to go into battle with. So onto the battle.
All events take place simultaneously. (Get it Sinister)
We start off with Venom vs. Carnage. Pretty even match, it going to take some time for this one. But Carnage will eventually get the upper hand cause unlike Venom, he is able to create detachable weapons made entirely from his symbiotic. Not to mention sonics and loud noises do not bother him as much as Venom. Winner Carnage
Next we have Sentry vs. Iron Man. Sentry is much more powerful that Iron Man. He is also able to withstand Iron Mans firepower. But here we take brains over braun. As Iron Man has done before, he will remotely hacked Sentry's computer C.L.O.C., ordering the computer to warn Sentry about multiple devastating disasters occurring simultaneously throughout the world. Unable to prioritize which (false) alarm to deal with first, Sentry will again collapse to the ground in tears, utterly incapacitated. Iron Man orders C.L.O.C. to recycle the program for a few hours. Winner Iron Man.
Next we pit X-man vs. X-man with Cyclops vs. Gambit. This one was hard for me cause Gambit is my favorite, but with that being said, he is no match for Cyclops. Gambit's going to sit there and throw cards at Cyclops and just piss him off to the point that Cyclops is going to blast him into next week. This one is sadly over quick. Leaving Cyclops to help out his teammates. Winner Cyclops.
Next is Shadow King vs. Vision. Well seeing Shadow King is trapped inside Rouges body, and when he's not, he basically can only fight on am astral plane, he's pretty much useless. But giving him the benefit of doubt, let's say he is there in physical form. Here's where he is in trouble, Vision is in control of his destiny. Basically, anything he wants to happen, happens. And I don't see him wanting the Shadow King kicking his ass. So I'll put it simple. The Solar cell on Vision's forehead light up Shadow King at an impressive 30,000 degrees, instantly making him a pile of ashes. Winner Vision.
Last but not least, Magneto vs. Apocalypse. This is a dream fight of mine. But as you read above, after this fight goes on for about 10 minutes, Apocalypse is going to have Cyclops and Vision on him also. But let's say that they don't come that soon. Apocalypse has unchartable powers against Magneto's magnetism powers. Plus the fact that Apocalypse is immortal. After a good fight, we have our winner. Winner Apocalypse. And that's how I see it happening.
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Post by Mister Sinister on Sept 23, 2007 1:33:25 GMT -5
(First off I have read no where that vision has Destiny control, and whatever he says goes. If that was the case I would say he would be unpickable. He does indeed have Density control, but no where have I read that he has Destiny control. Please provide proof before the vote, or read up on your character's more thoroughly.)
Let me see now. The Shadow King, Venom, Magneto, Gambit, and Sentry vs. Cyclops, Vision, Iron Man, Carnage, Apocalypse
Well when I first looked at the team against mine I was like "My team is gonna lose big time" But then I realized my team was actually pretty great. Once I started researching I realized the other team wasn't as good as they look. Torsion's team has power, speed, and a crazy person. But honestly I have all the same stuff, only better, and that's just in one of my team members.
So here's how it goes down. Venom of course is gonna want Carnage plan and simple. Gambit is gonna see if he can best fellow X-men Cyclops. Magneto is gonna see Iron Man as his obvious and easiest target. Sentry will go for that teams power hitter and take on Apocalypse. This leaves The Vision to The Shadow King. For those of you following along that is:
Sentry - Apocalypse Magneto - Iron Man Venom - Carnage Gambit - Cyclops Shadow King - Vision
So first and foremost lets view it from Shadow Kings point of view. Knowing that he has no real chance in besting Vision in a fight while not on the astral plane, King will have to use his all powerful ability that gives his such control on the astral plane. Once Vision gets within distance King takes a change and tries to possess his opponent. Though being artificial of nature Vision's brain is so close to that of a human, King succeeds with relative easy. This one would be over very quickly. King would then focus using Vision for his team. Then would see a fellow teammate that could use some assistance.
Gambit would have been throwing charged cards, rocks, and whatever else he could get his hands on, at Cyclops this entire time in attempts to keep him distracted so as to give the others more time, and to get closer. In which case Cyclops would be blasting(which isn't the best idea) and dodging these kinetic explosives. Of course Gambit's attempts to get close will be futile, because Cyclops beam will keep him at bay. So he will have to keep dodging eventually throwing an entire Deck of charged cards at Cyclops, who will most likely be foolish enough to blast it, causing a massive explosion easily knocking him out(Just as the same trick knocking out Gladiator, and Cyclops is no where near as powerful as Gladiator). But sadly Gambit will be close to his deck as well and be knocked out as well.
Now we have Venom and Carnage. Seeing as these two are so even this fight would be very good for quite a long time. Of course seeing as this fight has been going on for awhile Vision(Being controlled by King) would be going around. Vision would start assisting Venom and blasting energy at Carnage letting Venom get the upper hand due to the assault from both opponents. Eventually Venom would get a hold of Carnage into like a Full Nelson, leaving Vision to incinerate Carnage as Venom jumps out of the way before the heat hits.
Of course he have a very quick match of Iron Man and Magneto. Seeing as Iron Man's suit has a surrounding magnetic field with the crystallized iron and the various other metals, Magneto would use this against him. He would use Iron Man's own field against him, and use the metal of his suit against him. Though Iron Man would use his own Magnetic Manipulation to try and stop Magneto's power, he would not even come close to rivaling Magneto's might and would end up crushed within his own suit.
Now for the two heavy hitters. Sentry would use his far superior speed and strength to take Apocalypse down pure and simple. He would beat him within a inch of his life until Apocalypse was so damaged that we would either have to go into hiding so he could go all comatose and have his ship heal him, or Sentry would kill him plan and simple. There really is nothing more that can be said, other then Sentry wouldn't be very hurt and this fight wouldn't be the longest or the shortest of all these fights.
Now here is where the Shadow king could either stay in Vision's mind, could take over Cyclops's unconscious but still alive body, or he could have been controlling Vision from an already physical form. It doesn't really matter anyway you slice it. I like the Vision getting his ass kicked and Scott getting possessed story personally.
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Post by Nitric on Sept 23, 2007 1:39:18 GMT -5
I have 3 things right now.
one very good argument one more very good argument one very big headache.
one+one+one=tomorrow.
You'll get my vote tomorrow
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Post by y2j49783 on Sept 23, 2007 2:14:30 GMT -5
OK you got me there. I read it wrong. It is Density and not Destiny. Oops my fault. But he would not be able to have his mind taken over that easily, especially by someone trapped in a womans body!!!! Read the OnSlaught crossover and see where OnSlaught tried to take Visions mind and failed.
Not to mention, You still talk about double teaming in almost every instance showing that your team can not handle one on one. But if your defense, it is a team battle, so take it for what it's worth. May the best man win.......
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Post by Nitric on Sept 23, 2007 11:05:20 GMT -5
Ok. First things first, I actually like it when you guys argue, I only said to stop earlier as a joke so we could start the next fight. I actually think you should argue all you want.
Second, I've got my judgment call for your guys' fight.
Like Torsion, Im gonna break it into points, but my points are mainly going to be given vased on the matches themselves.
Match 1: Sentry vs. Iron Man (Sentry vs. Apocalypse) Match 2: Cyclops vs. Gambit Match 3: Magneto vs. Apocalypse (Magneto vs. Iron Man) Match 4: Shadow King vs. Vision Match 5: Venom vs. Carnage
Match One: I know that C.L.O.C. thing worked on Sentry once, and Im not doubting it could work again, but I think Sentry could do some major damage to Iron Man first, prolly leaving him incapable to finish fighting also. And sadly enough, If the fight was vs. Apocalypse, I beleive in Sentry. Without being able to fight him mentally, Apocalypse would not stand a chance, seeing as Sentry would smoke him in any way if it came down to physicality. He's Stronger, Faster, and way more durable. So, Match One goes to Sinister.
Match Two: First off, coming into this whole fight, I thought of Cyclops as Torsion's power player, easily at least rivaling anyone on either team. So, saying that Gambit could get anywhere close enough to Cyclops that he could incapacitate him is an insult to Scott. He would keep him at such a distance Gambit would prolly just kill himself in frustration. Match Two goes to Torsion
Match Three: Ehhhhh. This was the toughest battle to call I think. But I've made my decision, and it is based on facts. If the fight was Magneto vs. Apocalypse, I agree, it would be a GREAT fight, but like what's already happened, Magneto has enough power to rip Apocalypse straight into two pieces... more if he so wished. Still a hard call, but I think Magneto wins that one. And Magneto vs. Iron Man is an easier one, seeing as Magneto could prolly roll him inot a ball and use him as a weapon against the other team. Match Three goes to Sinister
Match Four: Now we get into the more boring fights. I don't even believe that the Shadow King can fight in the real world, seeing as one of the only times Ive ever seen him in the real world he was in a jar. So, saying he was in the real world, sadly enough, I say tech trumps brain power, and Vision wins. Match Four goes to Torsion
Match Five: For the last match, and the deciding match. I just got done researching the two opponents. My conclusion: Carnage is stronger, faster, with more power, less weaknesses and is striaght up crazier. Match Five goes to Torsion
My Winner Is Torsion
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Post by y2j49783 on Sept 23, 2007 11:26:38 GMT -5
I have nothing to say....lol...well ok I do. Although I did win. The fact that Apocalypse got destroyed by Magneto had to happen in an alternate reality cause in this reality, everyone knows it wouldn't happen. And the sad part of it is, I do like Magneto more. Although taking it a step further, Iron Man would have got his ass handed to him by Magneto, no doubt about it. And here's the point. If you are going to say that Magneto won cause he's done it before, then shouldn't Iron Man beat Sentry cause he's done it before too? Why is it good for one and not the other? But anyways, I'll humble out for I do not want to be a cheap winner. Sorry Sinister, you put up a good fight.
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Post by Nitric on Sept 23, 2007 11:47:16 GMT -5
Hey, its based on facts, and personal opinion. That explains everything. lol
Serpent---\ --------------Serpent --\ Inverseur-/ ---------------------------Winner\ Nitric--------\ ---------------Nitric------/ -------------/ --------------------------------------WINNER Torsion-----\ ---------------Torsion--\ -------------/ ---------------------------Torsion/ Sinister-----\ ---------------Sinister---/ -------------/
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Post by Onikuma on Sept 23, 2007 12:13:45 GMT -5
Oooh, My Turn. To Argue Against Myself. This Shall Be Fun
Point Number One would have to be Healing Factors again. Point Number Two Would Have to Be Superior Fighting Skills. So, Even if your team is a bunch of Supermen, mine are abunch of hard ass fighters with healing abilities.
So, Onto the Fight.
Cap'n Namor rounds the teem up and give's them their orders. Sending his power player (Wolverine) right to theirs (Hyperion). Next, He Sends Sabes for Gladiator, Omega Red Gets Wonder Man, Deadpool on Spectrum and him himself on Mar-Vell.
Wolverine starts off the action by launching towards Hyperion, getting in a few good hits. He's trumped by Hyperion's Strength and Speed, but lands a few hits into him his ADAMANTIUM claws. I think that some of that would be able to rip through Hyperion, or at least slow him down enough to land in a few more.
Next, Sabertooth attacks Gladiator, also being bested in strength and speed, but being a far greater hand to hand fighter, ripping Gladiator down, and showing him who's boss, making Gladiator weaken greatly.
Then There's Omega Red - Wonder Man. Omega sends off some toxins, begins to poison Wonder Man, then Omega moves in to best him in fighting skills, and possibly even strength once Wonder Man is poisoned.
Deadpool on Spectrum is a little tougher of a battle, seeing as he might be kept at a distance. But that can only go on for so long, eventually, Deadpool would be able to move in and slit Spectrum's non super-powered throat.
And Finally, Namor vs. Mar-Vell. For once, I actually have the upper hand in fighting skills AND strength. Namor would pound Mar-Vells cakes, sending him back into orbit to cry himself to sleep.
So, by now, most of my fights are over, and my reaming team helps on the one's that aren't making it a difficult but attainable victory for Namor's team.
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Post by Nitric on Sept 23, 2007 12:33:30 GMT -5
Oooh, Superior Fighting Skills. Even if that was true, My Team has Superior Strength, Speed, Durability, Abilities, and Doctor Spectrum (oooh, and they all can fly!). And who says I can't keep every member of your team at a distance? I think I might actually RP this fight.
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Hyperion, Gladiator, Wonder Man, Mar-Vell, and Doctor Spectrum fly down to the battle field. Gladiator and Hyperion take charge, neither wanting to insult the other, so they lead the team together.
Doctor Spectrum gets the go ahead to create an energy construct to hold the other team back, if only momentarily. But that Gives Gladiator enough time to throw in a freeze breathe, freezing the opposing team in their tracks.
Knowing good and well that that cant hold them forever, Doctor Spectrum grabs hold of Wolverine with his powers first, slinging him right at Wonder Man, who meets Wolverine's face with a Class One-Hundred Super-Strength punch, snapping his neck at most, knocking him unconscious at least.
While That's going on, Mar-Vell runs circles around Sabertooth, throwing in hundreds of Super-punches as he goes, causing to much damage for a healing factor to heal, also either knocking him unconscious, or straight up killing him.
Gladiator flies down at incalculable speeds, smacking his head straight up against Omega Red's, tumbling him over himself. He then Follows up with speedily removing all of Red's tentacles physically, shouting 'For Empress and Empire' before he finishes Omega Red with his most powerful attack.
Spectrum Uses his Powers to Grab Deadpool right after he throws Wolverine, and again, launches him towards Wonder Man for another well aimed knock out punch.
That Leaves Hyperion and Namor.
Hyperion Casually walks up to Namor, hands down smiling. Namor caulks back and lands a punch into Hyperion's chest.
Hyperion smiles again, not taking any damage. He Grabs the now scared-shitless Namor by the throat and flies him far above the ground. He hurls him at subsonic speeds towards the ground, letting Gravity do the rest. But instead of just snapping every bone in the poor atlanteans body from the fall, he's met by Gladiator's Smiling fist, and gets launched upwards again, for the rest of the team to play with.
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Post by y2j49783 on Sept 23, 2007 13:20:21 GMT -5
I think that Sinsiter has the deciding vote on who wins?? I'm pretty sure on that. Either way, my team is so screwed.
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Post by Mister Sinister on Sept 23, 2007 17:38:05 GMT -5
Well lets see. If I were to do my own research and decide who should win on my own and not pay attention to the post or the strategy like Nitric did then Nitric's team wins, no contest. But I'm actually gonna read these and decide based on that. I like the points idea so I'm gonna do that.
For Overall Strength point goes to Nitric.
Neither one really beat each other in intelligence so I give a point for both.
Serpents team gets a point for the healing factor.
For overall teamwork amounts the team I give a point to Nitric.
Serpent really didn't explain well enough on how he got past all the super strength, speed, durability. Sure the hand to hand of some of them might be better, but if the are to fast to hit, or strong enough to grab a punch and immobilize them then I would like it if it was explained alittle more how they got the hits or the damage in. So I take away a point from Serpent.
Next we have flaws in research. First off no matter how strong you are you not gonna be able to snap Wolverines neck, seeing as his neck is made of adamantium as well as connective tissues on his joint, so no snappy snappy of the neck there. Next comes the whole freezing thing. If I'm not mistaken freezing them with his Frost Breath involves most likely cold air and turns into frozen water. Well if Namor came in contact with this icey substance it would be able to act as water and thus make Namor stronger. Seeing that whole team was frozen he would have alot of water to deal with when he uses his electricity to melt it. So for misleading info, and more research needed I take away a point from Nitric as well.
Actaully there wasn't much for voting on the post or strategy on either side for this one...but none the less...Score 2 to 1 Nitric's team of Superman wins!
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Post by Nitric on Sept 23, 2007 17:43:14 GMT -5
Well, thank you for letting me win against myself.
Bracket is:
Serpent---\ --------------Serpent --\ Inverseur-/ -----------------------------Nitric-\ Nitric--------\ ---------------Nitric------/ -------------/ --------------------------------------WINNER Torsion-----\ ---------------Torsion--\ -------------/ ---------------------------Torsion-/ Sinister-----\ ---------------Sinister---/ -------------/
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