This Vs. That

[Nitric]

Ok, I've always wanted one of these type of threads, but seeing as we only have like, 3 people, I dunno how well it'll turn out.

Basically, I just want to know who, out of two people, would win in a fight.

First: Doctor Strange vs. Silver Surfer


See, I say that sure, maybe SS has more power, maybe he's stronger, whatever, but Strange (in my mind at least) could just snap his fingers and take all of the Surfer's powers, so I say Strange.

[Talismanhex3]

Only Galactus can take Silver Surfers powers. The Power Cosmic is a mighty power and it gives the Surfer the edge over Doctor Strange. The worst Doctor Strange could do is send Silver Surfer to another dimension, like he did the Hulk. Now that is a temporary fix, but not a defeat, especially with the Surfer and his board and navigational skill. Surfer on the other hand could protect himself offensively with the Power Cosmic. Simple feats like the Manipulation of Sonics and Kinetics to stop Strange from casting a spell or just an intense burst of Radioactive energy would do in Strange. Plus not only could Silver Surfer bolster his will, but he has been known to manipulate magical energies as well. Doctor Strange is one of 10 favorites, but I don't believe he would win. Now with my opinion written do I get to choose the next This vs. That? I will choose Rogue( from the '80s with Ms Marvel's powers) vs. Cannonball( more current, aged version)

[Nitric]

(((On the Doctor Strange - SS note, I really believe it would at least be a close fight... I mean.. Well.. I see where you're coming from, and I agree, but I still think it would be close)))

Well... I have to say Cannonball, seeing as he's one of my favorites, and really, he's near invincible.

I mean, he can cover himself in his blast shield, not taking any damage, plus, with thrust he has super strength, and super speed.

Plus the ability to re channel any kinetic energy that hits him.

All that, and he toasted Gladiator (One of my favorite comic issues actually) and thats saying alot. I dont thinkm Rogue could take gladiator?

There's my opinion.

[talismanhex3]

I agree with you, but like the Silver Surfer Doctor Strange equation I feel Old School Rogue would give Current Cannonball a run for his money. She can lift 50 tons, was nigh invulnerable herself and more maneuverable in the sky, but she would loose in the long run. She may have a chance if she is able to trick him, which honestly, is not that hard. Cannonball all the way. So your turn. Right?

[Nitric]

Ehh, you can go if you'd like. If you dont, I do have one though.

[Nitric]

Ok, If no one else is goig to post one, then:


Current - New Avengers
Luke Cage, Doctor Strange, Iron Fist, Wolverine, Echo, Ronin, Spiderman, Spiderwoman

VS.

Current - Mighty Avengers
Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Sentry, Wonder Man, Ares, Wasp, Black Widow

I have to say I think New Avengers, but I dunno, The Mighty avengers are full of power houses.

[Mister Sinister]

In my opinion the New Avengers are way better then the Mighty Avengers! OKay Mighty Avengers my have a powerhouse of people, but other then there few Superman knockoff they have nothing going for them.

Ares is strong and is a greek god, but is basically a white Luke Cage. Only Ares carries weapons and is a god. That's basically the only difference. Cage has the same powers, has stronger skin, and is a skilled fighter. Not to mention New Avengers have Doctor Strange.

Wonder is basically a ionic looking/empowered version of Ares, only without the god thing. Oh and he can grow...wooooooo...that's amazing. Oh and there is Strange.

Wasp can grow like Wonderman. He can sprout wings when small. and can zap people. Pretty much everyone could take her out except for like ronin. Oh yeah and There is also Strange.

Okay basically the only threat on the Mighty Avengers team are Sentry and Ms. Marvel. But Sentry is crazy, but other then that has no real weaknesses. Ms. Marvel is by far the biggest threat. Seeing as she is the fastest and potentially the strongest with the greatest amount of powers and abilities is the only one I see posing any sort of threat. Sentry is strong sure, but a swift strike for Wolverines claws right to the throat and he is down. Oh yeah and there is Strange...

But Ms. Marvel can absorb all energy, even magic, so Strange would have to use other magic that doesn't hit her directly. Well that was easy.

Then there is Iron Man and Black Widow who really pose no threat at all to anyone but possibly ronin. Iron Man may also pose some threat to the Spiders. And of course the is Doctor Strange.

Yeah so that's my opinion. New Avengers all the way...and oh They have Doctor Strange, case closed!

[talismanhex3]

New Avengers, but Sentry is pretty bad. But new Avengers has Strange. Go ahead Mister Sinister, give us another.

[tubbyman13]

nitric said:

Current - New Avengers
Luke Cage, Doctor Strange, Iron Fist, Wolverine, Echo, Ronin, Spiderman, Spiderwoman

VS.

Current - Mighty Avengers
Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Sentry, Wonder Man, Ares, Wasp, Black Widow

Let's think about this and the arguments that have been made by dissecting the team dynamics.

New Avengers
Luke Cage - Unbreakable skin, close combat skills.
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 2, Strength 4, Speed 2, Durability 6, Energy 1, Skills 4
Doctor Strange - Mastery of Magic, Sorcery, Summoning, Magical Travel.
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 7, Strength 4, Speed 4, Durability 5, Energy 7, Skill 4
Iron Fist - Chi manipulation.
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 4, Strength 4, Speed 4, Durability 4, Energy 4, Skill 7
Wolverine: Instant Healing Factor, Adamantium Claws/Skeleton
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 5, Strength 5, Speed 5, Durability 7, Energy 3, Skill 7
Echo: Technique coppier
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 5, Strength 4, Speed 5, Durability 4, Energy 1, Skill 6
Ronin: Growth.
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 3, Strength 2, Speed 2, Durability 2, Energy 1, Skill 5
Spider-Man: Wall-crawling, superhuman strength/agility/Endurance, web shooters
-Official Marvel Stats: Intelligence 7, Strength 6, Speed 6, Durability 6, Energy 5, Skill 7
Spider-Woman: Superhuman Strength, Speed and Eundurance, Immune to Poisons, Venom Blasts
-Official Marvel Stats: N/A, Fanstats: Intelligence 5, Strength 5, Speed 5, Durability 5, Energy 5, Skill 6

Mighty Avengers

Iron Man: Technological marvel
-Official Marvel Stats: Intelligence 7, Strength 7, Speed 7, Durability 7, Energy 7, Skill 5
Ms. Marvel: Flight, Super-Strength/Durability, Concussion Blasts
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 3, Strength 1, Speed 1, Durability 1, Energy 7, Skill 4
Sentry: Power of 1,000 Exploding Suns
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 5, Strength 7, Speed 5, Durability 6, Energy 5, Skill 3
Wonder Man: Super strength, Invulnerability, Flight, Energy Blasts
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 5, Strength 6, Speed 4, Durability 6, Energy 7, Skill 5
Ares: Skilled Close Combat, Godly Bodily Strength
-Official Marvel stats: Intelligence 7, Strength 7, Speed 3, Durability 5, Energy 1, Skill 7
Wasp: Shrinking with inverse strength growth
-Official Marvel Stats: Intelligence 4, Strength 4, Speed 5, Durability 3, Energy 2, Skill 3
Black Widow: Mad skills.
-Official Marvel Stats: Intelligence 5, Strength 3, Speed 4, Durability 3, Energy 2, Skill 6

Lets look at those stats and decide who is going to win.

Doctor Strange is good. He's even excellent, among the best of the best, I'll give him that. However, when it comes right down to it, Iron Man is better, not just statistically, but inventively and combatively too. Iron Man > Dr. Strange. That breaks the back of most of the arguments I've heard right there.

Luke Cage and Ronin, 2v1 on Sentry... 'Nuff said, Sentry wins.

Echo vs. Wonder Man. Let her fight him as skillfully as she wants, she'll never match Wonder Man's physical stats.

Let Wolverine and Ares hack away at each other and Ares will at least hold his own. Wolvie still stands a good chance of winning, though...

Iron Fist is a close-combat fighter who knows how to come up on somebody, Black Widow a ranged fighter who knows how to keep her distance. It depends on who winds up being better at doing what they do; In the end I give the fight to Iron Fist.

Wasp goes against Spider Woman. Its a good fight; if Spider Woman can hit her, the fight is hers; if not, Wasp wins it hands-down.

Spider-Man takes on Ms. Marvel and, without a scratch from those impressive concussion blasts, takes her down.

These opening fights, save for Ares vs. Wolverine and Iron Man vs Strange, are going to be over very quickly. Eventually, though, the initial combat will be over, casualties will be counted while the pause endures and the combatants will eventually start up again full-blast.

So round two looks like this:

Iron Man, Sentry, Wonder Man and other possible winners vs. Spider Man, Iron Fist and possible winners.

The Ares - Wolverine battle makes or breaks the fight for both teams. Spider Woman and Wasp can both be done without, but at this point both Ares and Wolverine are invaluable to their team. If Ares wins, the Mighty Avengers are coming out on top. If Wolverine wins, the New Avengers are going to have a chance.

So, assuming that Wolverine wins:

Iron Man vs. Spider-Man is going to be a good one. Iron Man is ultimately a better fighter then Spider-Man, but Spider-Man is more clever, tricker, craftier. However, in the end I think Tony Stark's smarts trump Peter Parker's, and in addition to his supremely superior abilities the fight goes to Iron man.

Sentry vs. Wolverine, now that Ares is out of the picture, is the new focal point of the fight. It is possible that Wolvie will knock the fatigued Sentry out in the fight, but it is also possible that Sentry will turn up the nuke power and get Wolverine into la-la land before the fight's over.

Wonder Man will, by default, be fighting Spider-Woman, assuming Wasp loses as is entirely too possible, and Iron Fist. Spider-Woman doesn't realistically stand much of a chance against the man who has Invulnerability and Super-Strength as his main powers. Neither does Iron Fist. Even together, they don't stand much of a chance, but there's always that off chance that the pair just might pull it off.

Looking into round three, it appears the New Avengers might just be out of the picture. However, if Wolverine beats sentry, he'll have to fight Wonder Man and Iron Man alone. He's not going to win that fight unless God himself mandates it.

I give the fight to the Mighty Avengers. However, I'll concede that there's too many conditionals to make any concrete conclusions. We'd have to let the comic writers actually put the two against each other to see who'd actually win.

As for the Strange vs. Surfer fight, everybody who said Strange would win must have been on drugs when they said it... no offense intended. Dr. Strange is good, but just speaking statistically, he's no match for Silver Surfer.

Dr. Strange: Intelligence 7, Strength 4, Speed 4, Durability 5, Energy 7, Skill 4

Silver Surfer: Intelligence 7, Strength 7, Speed 7, Durability 7, Energy 7, Skill 7

With those statistics alone, there's not a snowballs chance in hell that Surfer's going to lose the fight, especially since Silver Surfer is capable of doing with the Power Cosmic just about everything Dr. Strange is capable of doing with Magic. How could Dr. Strange even hope to stand up to such a nearly all-powerful being? And I'm not just saying that because I'm biased, I'm saying that because it's logically the way it would happen.

Now, my proposed fight is as follows. Two villains who are concretely evidenced as being more powerful then any Marvel hero could ever dream of being struggle for their very lives: Onslaught vs. Galactus!

Note: I know very little about Onslaught; if this fight is a big mismatch, don't laugh too hard.

[talismanhex3]

I would give it to Galactus, because Onslaught really just doesn't have a chance, unfortunately I don't think Earth will survive the battle. As for Doctor Strange vs Iron man, you forgot one thing, Iron Man has no defense vs Strange's magic. Doctor Strange's shields can protect him from Iron Man's attacks, but magic damages on a whole different level. Silver Surfer can effect that magical level, but Iron Man can't, he's all tech.

[Nitric]

I Agree with Hulk fully on this one.

Both parts:

1. Galactus would win

2. Strange's Magic Trumps Ironman's Tech.

[y2j49783]

Here's one for you all. Cable vs. Iron Man. According to their stats on Marvels web site, they are pretty even. But I'd have to give it to Cable hands down.

[Nitric]

Well, I agree, Most def...

And I also beleive the stats on marvel.com don't really mean much at all.

But back to the subject, I think Cable has it hands down... He broke the Silver Surfer's surfboard...

[Kade]

Ok. I Have Another One That I've Heard Mildly Discussed On Here, But I Really Wanna Know How People Think about It.

Iron Fist vs. Wolverine[/i]

Now, Im A Big Fan Of Both Characters. But If I Was To Go Purely On Who I Liked More, It'd Have To Be Danny.

But For My In-Depth Analysis... They're Both Great Fighters... Really Great. But Even Though Wolverine Is So Old, And So Experienced, There Is No Better Close Combat Fighter In The Marvel Universe Then The Iron Fist. Now, for Strength. Wolverine Is Naturally Stronger, And A Good Hard Hitter Due To His Weight. That, plus claws, makes Wolverine one super badass fighter, but onto Danny. He May Fall Back In Strength, But He Is Able To Augment It Through Chi, That, Plus The Iron Fist Attacks.... Come on, His Hands Are Stronger Then Adamantium When He Uses That... So Again, I think he comes out on top for that reason. Now, Wolverine's Healing Factor Could Screw Things Up For Him, But Danny Also Has Rapidly Excelerated Healing, not As Much So As Wolverine, But Enough To Keep Him In The Running.

So, How I See The fight going down is:

They Both Come In, Exchange First Blows, And Danny Gets Clocked With A Hard Hit From Wolvie, Maybe Even From His Claws. And That's The Only One-Up Wolverine Will Get On Him, Because Danny May Have Underestimated him at first, but now he's ready. They move in for attacks again, and anything Wolverine throws at him is countered and met with more than equal force. After A While, Wolverine Is the One Taking All The Hurt, But He's Staying In it, Having more superb Stamina and durability. But Now, Realizing This, Iron Fist Decides He Has To End It Quick To Keep His Advantage. Blocking And Countering Anything On The Way, Danny Swoops In With an Iron Fist Right Into Wolvie's Skull, Knocking Him Unconscious Easily... Very Easily.

Winner - Iron Fist

[Nitric]

Ummm... I Agree?? LOL